ROYALTY, NOBILITY AND MEDIEVAL
RESEARCH WEBSITE & CLASS

Los Angeles FamilySearch Library
This class was given at the Los Angeles Family History Library or LAFHL
that has been renamed the Los Angeles FamilySearch Library or LAFSL.
Instructor - Jon Schweitzer
Revised 28 November 2013 by Jon Schweitzer


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One must make a reliable royal and/or noble
connection before proceeding with the extensive research required.

UNIQUE RESEARCH AREA
You can't research the original documents.
You must rely on the past work of experienced and knowledgeable genealogists.

OBJECTIVES
Find and store the best data, correct the database using the easiest and fastest methods and record the sources.
These objectives can be accomplished using the following 5 steps:
Find and enter data into your genealogy database.
Enter all good sources into the sources or notes sections of your genealogy database.
Obtain other people's GEDCOM data and add it to your genealogy database.
Correct and add to the resulting database, using the best printed sources.
Use the "How to Add Sources Efficiently to a Genealogy Program" at http://www.encinojon.com/addsources/

INTERLOCKING SOURCES
When ending with one source on a line and starting with another source, the best documentation of sources is to have a "three point" interlocking of the two sources. The two sources should agree on the same "three points" of child, father and mother and both sources should be listed for all three persons.
Start listing all of your documentation in your notes or sources in your genealogy database. See the "PAF Documentation Guidelines" at http://uvtagg.org/classes/dons/dons-pafii-02-notes.html

ITEMS REQUIRED
Computer, genealogy program, latest Anti-Virus Program and printer

ATTEND OTHER CLASSES
Attend all genealogy program classes.

SOURCE RATINGS
My ratings of the sources below are numbered 1 to 10. Number 10 is the best. The rating is shown with the letter "R" for "rating", the rating number and the reason. Example: R6 - errors.

GIVEN NAMES AND SURNAMES
Your royal and noble ancestors might be listed with different given names and different surnames than you think. You must search all possible variations of the names. The person might be indexed by given name, surname or nickname. When the person did not have a "fixed" surname, the surname should be the name of the country or area where the person held the highest title. Example: The surname of King Henry VIII in the Ancestral File is "ENGLAND".

USING GEDCOM DATA
The fastest way to start to build your database is to find your royal or noble connection is a GEDCOM file on the Internet or from another genealogist. You must use the latest Anti-Virus program on all disks you make or receive. This is not the best source because of the large amount of errors, but it will give you a large percentage of lines on which to build and correct. R6 - errors and maybe no sources.

ENTERING GEDCOM
Make and keep a separate empty genealogy program file for reviewing and editing any GEDCOM. Make another separate genealogy program file for the royalty and nobility. Make a backup disk before adding any GEDCOM to the royalty and nobility file.

ANCESTRAL FILE SUBMISSION SHEETS MIGHT HAVE SOURCES
Obtain the microfilm of the Ancestral File* "submission sheets". The best sheets will be the ones submitted by the Genealogical Department Royal Identification Unit (Family History Department Medieval Families Unit) because they alway have excellent sources.

SURNAME PROBLEMS, DECISIONS AND ERRORS
You will have to make many hard decisions about which names and dates to use for individuals. You will find there are many errors in the Ancestral File, IGI and other people's GEDCOM files. Use the genealogy program "tools": "Possible Record Problems", "End-of-Line Individuals" and "Print List of Possible Matches" to improve your database.

CHARACTERISTICS OF A NEARLY PERFECT PRINTED SOURCE
The work was done by an extremely experienced and knowledgeable genealogist.
All sources used for each person are cited.
All family details are shown.
There are very few errors.
All known places and complete dates are stated.
Published in the last 20 years.
Revisions and new editions are published with corrections.
This means that most family histories and most other sources are not good sources.

ENTER SOURCES
Wait until you have firm, ancestral lines before you hand enter, from any printed sources, the balance of children, if any, in each family.

Use the "How to Add Sources Efficiently to a Genealogy Program" at the Web site http://www.encinojon.com/addsources/

BEST LOCAL SOURCES (Sources with *** are in the Los Angeles FamilySearch Library or LAFSL) Check the current availability of the sources below in the LAFSL by using the two LAFSL search web pages at http://www.lafhl.org/microsearch.html and http://www.lafhl.org/sageentry.php
"Europaische Stammtafeln", a set of more than 16 volumes by Mr. Detlev Schwennicke, 1978-1990, large and detailed genealogical tables in German of royal and noble families in Germany and Europe. Corrections are in a few volumes that follow the entries. A general name index is in volume XIII. This set was recommended by Mr. Robert C. Gunderson, the Senior Royalty Research Specialist in the now extinct Medieval Families Unit in the Family History Library (FHL) in Salt Lake City. To date, this is the best single most comprehensive source for European royalty and nobility that I have found anywhere.
At this time there are 14 volumes at the Los Angeles City Central Library in the Genealogy Section on floor LL4 (fR 929.7 E895). Look on the oversize and folio shelves for them. If you do not find them, order them pulled from the closed stacks. Make copies of all pertinent pages. Bring at least $5.00 in change. Also consider buying a copy machine debit card at the Reference Desk on floor LLI.
Bring a $5 bill to buy the card from the card machine. Saturdays and Sundays are the best for parking at $1.00 to $2.20 for all day. In the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, the set is in the Europe Area (940 D5es). R9 - superior genealogist, lists sources and has most family details, a few printing errors and lists corrections in later volumes.
"Matrilineal Descents of the European Royalty - A Work in Progress", a microfiche set by Mr. William Addams Reitwiesner, 4th Edition, 1993. A unique and superb work of each mother's mother's, etc. ancestral line. This is located in the microfiche area of the Los Angeles Central Library in the Genealogy Section on floor LL4 (NHR 929.7 R379). R8 - excellent genealogist, lists sources for each person, lacks places and dates details, new editions released periodically.
This work might develop into the "best" source if the author includes the places and dates details. The author types the copy, which eliminates the extra chances of printing errors and he releases new, improved editions about every two years.
"The Plantagenet Ancestry", by George Andrews Moriarity, About 1960, LAPL Call No. 929.721 P713Mo, FHL Film No. 441438***. R8 - one of best medieval genealogist and there are additions and corrections, hard to read, has sources.
"Nachkommen Gorms Des Alten", by S. Otto Brenner, 1964, LAPL Call No. fR929.789 B838, FHL Film No. 897500***. R8 - excellent genealogist, few errors and has sources.
"Ancestral File: Submission Sheets", by Genealogical Department Royal Identification Unit (Family History Dept. Medieval Families Unit), FHL Film No. 1394478, AF 87C-001315 to AF 87C-001328. Very early Bohemia (Czechoslovakia) Family Group Sheets. R8 - good sources.
"Ancestral File: Submission Sheets", by Genealogical Department Royal Identification Unit (Family History Dept. Medieval Families Unit), FHL Film No.
1394475, AF 87C-000205 to AF 87C-000223. Very early Poland Family Group Sheets. R8 - good sources.
"Ancestral File: Submission Sheets", by Genealogical Department Royal Identification Unit (Family History Dept. Medieval Families Unit), FHL Film No. 1394476, AF 87-000771. Very early Hungary Family Group Sheets.
R8 - good Sources.
"Ancestral File: Submission Sheets", submitted by Fern Stevens and made by Sanford August Johnson about 1952, FHL Film No. 1512632, AF 89-006575 to AF 89-006577. Very early Scandinavian and England Family Group Sheets. R7.
"The Plantagenet Ancestry", W. H. Turton, 1928, FHL Film No. 87859***, LAPL Call No. GEN R 929.721 P713TU. R7- many errors and lacks family details.
"Royal Ancestors of Some American Families", Michel L. Call, 1989 (973 D2ca)***. Look for the new Vol. 2 at othe libraries. R7 - errors and lacks family details.
"Genealogies of European Families from Charlemagne to the Present Date", Gerald Paget, 1957, FHL film numbers 170050-170062***. R7 - errors.
"Magna Charta - Families of Royal Descent", by John S. Wurts, Parts 1- 8 in 7 Volumes, 1939 - 1958?, LAPL Gen R 929.72 W969A. R7 - good detail, lacks most sources.
"Dictionary of Royal Lineage of Europe and other Countries", by Carl Magnus Allstrom, 2 Volumes (Volume 1 - 1902, LAPL Call No. GEN 929.7 A442 and (Volume 2 - 1904, LAPL Call No. GEN 929.7 A442, FHL Film No. 1181544 - Europe*** ). R7 - many errors and lacks family details.
"Manuel d' Historie, de Genealogie et de Chronologie de tons lesetats de Globe (Genealogy of all the Countries of the World)", by A. M. H. J. Stakvis, in French, 1966 - reprint of 1888 to 1893, 3 Volumes, (V1 - 2, FHL Film No. 1059451 - Europe*** and V3, FHL Film No. 1059452 - Europe***). R7 - lacks family details.
"Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe", Jiri Louda and Michael
Macclagan (940 D6Lh). R6 - errors and lacks most family details.

MORE SOURCES AT THE LOS ANGELES CITY CENTRAL LIBRARY (LAPL)
"Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to American before 1700", (title changed from book below) by Frederick Lewis Weis, Seventh Edition, 1992, LAPL Call No.Gen R 974 W426. R8 - very good reputation, many corrections made over the years in all the editions.
"Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists Who Came to New England between 1623 and 1650", (title changed for book above) by Frederick Lewis Weis, Sixth Edition, 1988, LAPL Call No. Gen 974 W426, may be checked out, make copies of corrections from above newest edition. R8 - very good reputation, many corrections made over the years in all the editions.
"Descents from Antiquity", by Augustan Society, 1986, LAPL Call No.
R 929.7 D4455. R7 - good charts, no sources.
"Pedigree and Progress", by Sir Anthony Wagner, 1975, LAPL Call No. 929.01 W132. R7 - excellent genealogist, good charts, lacks family details.
"The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales", by Gerald Paget, 2 Volumes, 1977, LAPL Call No. GEN R 929.721 P135, FHL Call No. 942 D22pg British Q Area. R7 - excellent genealogist.
"Roman Empire", by H. Stuart Jones, 1908, LAPL Call No. 937.06 J77. R6
"Stammtafeln" by H. Grote - Genealogical tables in Old German of royal and noble families in Germany and Europe (GEN. 929.7 G881) at the Los Angeles City Central Library - order it on an inter branch or interlibrary loan. R6 - errors and lacks most family details.

NAME PROBLEMS
Even if the persons are listed in the above sources, it will frequently be very difficult to find them because of the various names used to list them and the language that was used. Examples: The surname Sachsen in German is Saxony in English. The given name Karl I in German is Charlemagne in French and English.

CLEANUP DATABASE
There will be a very heavy merging of names and correction of dates.
Always make a backup disk before adding a GEDCOM file, merging or using the genealogy program tools.
Use the genealogy program tools that will merge duplicate persons.
Estimate all the missing dates and enter them as "Abt".

PRINTING WORKING CHARTS AND FAMILY GROUP SHEETS
At first print only the working pedigree charts. After you have solid lines using the best printed sources, you can print the working Family Group Sheets without the documentation sheets. Write in the sources next to each person's name. Enter and check off each correction or addition into genealogy program database using the "Paper Clip" or the "How to Add Sources Efficiently to a Genealogy Program" at the Web site http://www.encinojon.com/addsources/. Make additions and corrections to the Family Group Sheets. Print out the documentation sheets much later.
Use ink cartridge refills if your printer uses liquid ink.
Buy printer paper at discount office supply stores or on sale on CraigsList for about $20 per case.
See Money Saving Hints About Inkjet Printers And Refilling Cartridges at http://www.encinojon.com/inkjet/

WORKING PEDIGREE CHARTS
Look for corrections and extensions of your end-of-line individuals by bringing your working pedigree charts to:
A FamilySearch Library to look in the FamilySearch online, Ancestral File and IGI and other sources.
The Los Angeles Public Library to look at the"Europaische Stammtafein" volumes, " Matrilineal Descents of the European Royalty" and other sources.

COMPUTER SCANNING
You may enter printed information you find into the genealogy program "notes" by using a scanner. Place the scanned data into an ASCII text file and copy and paste the data into the notes of a specific person.

HISTORICAL ATLASES IN THIS LIBRARY
The Anchor Atlas of World History", Vol. 1 (909 K575)
"Atlas of Medieval Europe" (Map Area 911.4 E7m)
"The Penguin Atlas of Medieval History" (909 E7m)

SUBMITTING CORRECTIONS
Do not submit any Ancestral File corrections, new data and sources to the Family History Library or the now extinct Family History Library's Medieval Families' Unit.

OTHER BOOKS IN THE LOS ANGELES CITY CENTRAL LIBRARY
Check them out or order them on an interbranch or intralibrary loan.
"Early Medieval Europe 300-1000" by Roger Collins (940.1 C7115), a small
book, but the best Notes and Bibliography sections I have ever seen.
"Western Europe in the Middle Ages 300-1475" by Brian Tierney and Sidney Painter (940.1 T564A), a good general book.
"The Middle Ages" by Morris Bishop (940.1 B622), a good little book about the nobility, ordinary people and everyday life.

HELPFUL INTERNET SITES - Active Links
http://www.hull.ac.uk/php/cssbct/genealogy/GEDCOM.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20080122175608/http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/royal00.htm
Royal and Noble Genealogical Data on the Web

http://www.hull.ac.uk/php/cssbct/genealogy/royal/
Catalog of Royal Family Lineages

http://en.geneanet.org/
A very large searchable Web site that has other people's databases

http://www.cyndislist.com/royalty
Royalty & Nobility Web links

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~medieval/faq.htm
Frequently Asked Questions for soc.genealogy.medieval

http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Descendants_of_Charlemagne and
http://www.ffish.com/family_tree/descendants_charlemagne/d1.htm
Descendants of Charlemagne

http://ftp.cac.psu.edu/~saw/royal/royalgen.html
Royal Genealogies -- Menu

http://www.encinojon.com/Royalgen/
Royalty and Nobility Genealogy Database with Sources on computer disks for Sale!

http://www.encinojon.com/addsources/
How to add sources efficiently to a genealogy program

http://habitant.org/tools/esnotes.htm
Europäische Stammtafeln notes


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